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		<title>By: SmittyJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>SmittyJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tikyle......

You are actually quite wrong.
If you check out some of the profits devs are posting than you would see that the PS3 has actually done better than the 360 in terms of profit.
EA, Ubisoft, and a couple others (cant remember who,but the article was up on n4g) all reported a higher percentage of profit coming from the PS3 and sony in general. 
Also devs are now starting to figure out how to develop better on the PS3, with a lot of games actually being developed on the PS3 first.

My point is that developers aren&#039;t doing that bad with the PS3, they&#039;re making money on it and they&#039;re starting to produce better games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tikyle&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>You are actually quite wrong.<br />
If you check out some of the profits devs are posting than you would see that the PS3 has actually done better than the 360 in terms of profit.<br />
EA, Ubisoft, and a couple others (cant remember who,but the article was up on n4g) all reported a higher percentage of profit coming from the PS3 and sony in general.<br />
Also devs are now starting to figure out how to develop better on the PS3, with a lot of games actually being developed on the PS3 first.</p>
<p>My point is that developers aren&#8217;t doing that bad with the PS3, they&#8217;re making money on it and they&#8217;re starting to produce better games.</p>
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		<title>By: Tikyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tikyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Console sales don&#039;t really mean shit if the games don&#039;t sell.  Sony sold all these consoles this year yet their 2nd biggest title of the year LBP couldn&#039;t crack 1M worldwide in a month.

Developers are seeing this trend and 3 things are starting to happen:

1. DEVS shy away from PS3 and make MS or Wii exclusives.
2. DEVS who were loyal to Sony add MS to the list to ensure sales match cost.
3. DEVS neglect the Sony version of the game because the MS version is going to sell about 2:1.

Point being Sony sold 1M more units WW this year yet except for sure fire hits MGS4 and GTA IV Sony has struggled to sell big numbers on software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Console sales don&#8217;t really mean shit if the games don&#8217;t sell.  Sony sold all these consoles this year yet their 2nd biggest title of the year LBP couldn&#8217;t crack 1M worldwide in a month.</p>
<p>Developers are seeing this trend and 3 things are starting to happen:</p>
<p>1. DEVS shy away from PS3 and make MS or Wii exclusives.<br />
2. DEVS who were loyal to Sony add MS to the list to ensure sales match cost.<br />
3. DEVS neglect the Sony version of the game because the MS version is going to sell about 2:1.</p>
<p>Point being Sony sold 1M more units WW this year yet except for sure fire hits MGS4 and GTA IV Sony has struggled to sell big numbers on software.</p>
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		<title>By: JB19848</title>
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		<dc:creator>JB19848</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 360 is losing WW by over a million units YTD.  And due to the price drop in America its leading the PS3 YTD in that region by about 10k.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 360 is losing WW by over a million units YTD.  And due to the price drop in America its leading the PS3 YTD in that region by about 10k.</p>
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		<title>By: MN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately  PS3 is still very expensive.($400 and $500)In fact i think they are the most expensive gaming console to date after 2 years being on market.

I know lots of my friends(even with 360s)that are waiting to get a PS3 as soon as the price drops.

So when PS3 drops to 299 and it still sells close to 199 XBOX then I would say that Sony will have a big problem on their hands,,,,but as of now Sony has outsold X360 this year(08) world wide by 1.2 million units even though it costs twice as much.

if sony drops to 299 and still sells within 1 million of 360  world wide then they have a big problem on their hands.

As soon as PS2 is out of production(2009 to 2010)Sony will have trade in deals (trade in PS2 and get $50-$100 off of PS3 type of deals).This strategy can boost the PS3 sales greatly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately  PS3 is still very expensive.($400 and $500)In fact i think they are the most expensive gaming console to date after 2 years being on market.</p>
<p>I know lots of my friends(even with 360s)that are waiting to get a PS3 as soon as the price drops.</p>
<p>So when PS3 drops to 299 and it still sells close to 199 XBOX then I would say that Sony will have a big problem on their hands,,,,but as of now Sony has outsold X360 this year(08) world wide by 1.2 million units even though it costs twice as much.</p>
<p>if sony drops to 299 and still sells within 1 million of 360  world wide then they have a big problem on their hands.</p>
<p>As soon as PS2 is out of production(2009 to 2010)Sony will have trade in deals (trade in PS2 and get $50-$100 off of PS3 type of deals).This strategy can boost the PS3 sales greatly.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWanker</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWanker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I unfortunately see Sony in a downward spiral. Lackluster sales of over-hyped-must-have games is only the beginning. Imagine the loss of money from the advertising alone!

Nonetheless... Yes, I am one of those contributing to the lackluster sales. Especially for LBP. I don&#039;t care how fun/exciting it is, it&#039;s a platform game. I grew tired of platform games after their heyday in the late 80s. 

And, MGS4 is a must have in my opinion! Despite the fact that I knew I wasn&#039;t going to care for the cliché-Japanese storytelling and suspense. Thus I borrowed it from my friend... Once again contributing to the lackluster sales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I unfortunately see Sony in a downward spiral. Lackluster sales of over-hyped-must-have games is only the beginning. Imagine the loss of money from the advertising alone!</p>
<p>Nonetheless&#8230; Yes, I am one of those contributing to the lackluster sales. Especially for LBP. I don&#8217;t care how fun/exciting it is, it&#8217;s a platform game. I grew tired of platform games after their heyday in the late 80s. </p>
<p>And, MGS4 is a must have in my opinion! Despite the fact that I knew I wasn&#8217;t going to care for the cliché-Japanese storytelling and suspense. Thus I borrowed it from my friend&#8230; Once again contributing to the lackluster sales.</p>
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		<title>By: G. Swaby</title>
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		<dc:creator>G. Swaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RJ you are an idiot

This article is an analysis of what Sony need to change to take the win in 2009, no where have i said that Kilzone GOW and Yakuza is what is going to make them win. I simply said that this is what fanboys and media are going of off, but i then explained how those games are not enough. Its all behind their strategy and marketing.

Do  not try to argue with  me if you dont even understand the purpose of the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RJ you are an idiot</p>
<p>This article is an analysis of what Sony need to change to take the win in 2009, no where have i said that Kilzone GOW and Yakuza is what is going to make them win. I simply said that this is what fanboys and media are going of off, but i then explained how those games are not enough. Its all behind their strategy and marketing.</p>
<p>Do  not try to argue with  me if you dont even understand the purpose of the article.</p>
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		<title>By: .</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rj...

im pretty sure that all of those titles are confirmed for 2009, and even if they dont have a specific launch date, most of those are forecasted for early/mid 2009.  kz2 is dated for feb09.  

and your analysis of the ps3 library this year humors me.  other than socom, your claims to each of those games are subjective and invalid.  boring? mediocre? i think gears2 is boring and mediocre, but that doesnt make it truth, or even popular opinion.  all of those games, sans socom, are critically acclaimed.  

secondly your claim that sony pushes all of their games back may be true, but its true for the whole industry.  EVERYONE in the industry, even your precious xbox, releases ideal deadlines that most of the time they cannot meet.  thats just how the industry works, its not a conspiracy.

finally, there not not JUST 3 exclusives coming to ps3 next year.  heavy rain and infamous are just to name a few exclusives that look to blow the industry out of the water.  HOWEVER, the article is taking a look at if those exclusives will be enough.  if halo4, gears3, and fable3 were all dated to come out next year, people would definitely NOT be saying, &quot;only 3 exclusives?  you think xbox will dominate with ONLY those games?&quot;  because, frankly, it probably would.  but kz2, gow2, and yakuza3 all look to be EXCELLENT games, with quality that BLOWS anything this generation has out of the water.  so YES, those 3 exclusives do have the potential to raise ps3 up, not to mention all the other excellent games coming next year.

but that isnt sonys problem.  although i think that those games will do well, i dont think they are going to push consoles like halo and gears did, unless sony gets out of this negative marketing umbrella they are in, drops the price of the ps3, and gets so freaking commercials out.  i like sony, am still pulling for them, but i dont like their business model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rj&#8230;</p>
<p>im pretty sure that all of those titles are confirmed for 2009, and even if they dont have a specific launch date, most of those are forecasted for early/mid 2009.  kz2 is dated for feb09.  </p>
<p>and your analysis of the ps3 library this year humors me.  other than socom, your claims to each of those games are subjective and invalid.  boring? mediocre? i think gears2 is boring and mediocre, but that doesnt make it truth, or even popular opinion.  all of those games, sans socom, are critically acclaimed.  </p>
<p>secondly your claim that sony pushes all of their games back may be true, but its true for the whole industry.  EVERYONE in the industry, even your precious xbox, releases ideal deadlines that most of the time they cannot meet.  thats just how the industry works, its not a conspiracy.</p>
<p>finally, there not not JUST 3 exclusives coming to ps3 next year.  heavy rain and infamous are just to name a few exclusives that look to blow the industry out of the water.  HOWEVER, the article is taking a look at if those exclusives will be enough.  if halo4, gears3, and fable3 were all dated to come out next year, people would definitely NOT be saying, &#8220;only 3 exclusives?  you think xbox will dominate with ONLY those games?&#8221;  because, frankly, it probably would.  but kz2, gow2, and yakuza3 all look to be EXCELLENT games, with quality that BLOWS anything this generation has out of the water.  so YES, those 3 exclusives do have the potential to raise ps3 up, not to mention all the other excellent games coming next year.</p>
<p>but that isnt sonys problem.  although i think that those games will do well, i dont think they are going to push consoles like halo and gears did, unless sony gets out of this negative marketing umbrella they are in, drops the price of the ps3, and gets so freaking commercials out.  i like sony, am still pulling for them, but i dont like their business model.</p>
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		<title>By: Shmick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shmick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RJ=fanboy
PS does bring out quality games and they dont rush games like Microsoft does, PS3 console is a much better console in everythig i.e. network, graphics, reliability and the fact that its network now is better than 360&#039;s which you have to pay for and wait till you get connected again. I could keep going on about the faults of the 360 but there is too many to list, ok Sony has faults as well but they are reducing and more people these days are looking forward to new games for the Playstation.

Maybe RJ you should do your history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RJ=fanboy<br />
PS does bring out quality games and they dont rush games like Microsoft does, PS3 console is a much better console in everythig i.e. network, graphics, reliability and the fact that its network now is better than 360&#8217;s which you have to pay for and wait till you get connected again. I could keep going on about the faults of the 360 but there is too many to list, ok Sony has faults as well but they are reducing and more people these days are looking forward to new games for the Playstation.</p>
<p>Maybe RJ you should do your history.</p>
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		<title>By: RJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you should do your history.

What makes consoles sell.... The Exclusives.

You listed 3 exclusives as your opening argument, with one of them not even confirmed for 2009 you just pulled it out of your ass.

Do you actually think a price drop is gonna make the PS3 win?

They are losing money on every single PS3 the money is in the games, the only thing you can prob predict is after 2009 that sony will not manufacture a PS4.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you should do your history.</p>
<p>What makes consoles sell&#8230;. The Exclusives.</p>
<p>You listed 3 exclusives as your opening argument, with one of them not even confirmed for 2009 you just pulled it out of your ass.</p>
<p>Do you actually think a price drop is gonna make the PS3 win?</p>
<p>They are losing money on every single PS3 the money is in the games, the only thing you can prob predict is after 2009 that sony will not manufacture a PS4.</p>
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		<title>By: G. Swaby</title>
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		<dc:creator>G. Swaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As for the writer of the article, do you honestly think by listing Killzone 2, Yakuza 3 and even suggesting that God of War 3 will come out (where every single dam game on the PS3 has been delayed) will give PS3 the crown on 2009.&quot;

is that what I said RJ? NO

try reading the article before you comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As for the writer of the article, do you honestly think by listing Killzone 2, Yakuza 3 and even suggesting that God of War 3 will come out (where every single dam game on the PS3 has been delayed) will give PS3 the crown on 2009.&#8221;</p>
<p>is that what I said RJ? NO</p>
<p>try reading the article before you comment.</p>
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		<title>By: RJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DJ... Are you alright there?

Sony won in quality of games????

Every single game released has had problems, every single game.

Socom you can&#039;t even play online.

Little Big Planet is boring

Resistance 2 is mediocre

Metal Gear Solid 4 is just an interactive movie

Every other game is cross platform with only Burnout being the only game that looks better on PS3 compared to 360.
My PS3 is covered in dust, its a hunk of junk.

As for the writer of the article, do you honestly think by listing Killzone 2, Yakuza 3 and even suggesting that God of War 3 will come out (where every single dam game on the PS3 has been delayed) will give PS3 the crown on 2009.

3 Games in a whole year... Whats wrong with you???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DJ&#8230; Are you alright there?</p>
<p>Sony won in quality of games????</p>
<p>Every single game released has had problems, every single game.</p>
<p>Socom you can&#8217;t even play online.</p>
<p>Little Big Planet is boring</p>
<p>Resistance 2 is mediocre</p>
<p>Metal Gear Solid 4 is just an interactive movie</p>
<p>Every other game is cross platform with only Burnout being the only game that looks better on PS3 compared to 360.<br />
My PS3 is covered in dust, its a hunk of junk.</p>
<p>As for the writer of the article, do you honestly think by listing Killzone 2, Yakuza 3 and even suggesting that God of War 3 will come out (where every single dam game on the PS3 has been delayed) will give PS3 the crown on 2009.</p>
<p>3 Games in a whole year&#8230; Whats wrong with you???</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, who cares...

However, if the pissing match needs to continue, let&#039;s not forget that &quot;Sony&quot; even if we just restrict to gaming, makes much more than the ps3...the ps2 is still selling well, the psp is in great demand. So all told, I bet the Sony brand is doing better than the Microsoft gaming brand now and will continue to do better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, who cares&#8230;</p>
<p>However, if the pissing match needs to continue, let&#8217;s not forget that &#8220;Sony&#8221; even if we just restrict to gaming, makes much more than the ps3&#8230;the ps2 is still selling well, the psp is in great demand. So all told, I bet the Sony brand is doing better than the Microsoft gaming brand now and will continue to do better.</p>
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		<title>By: Xbot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fail. 

PS3 @ 400/500 is selling millions more world wide then what the xbox 360 was selling at the same price tag and with no competition at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fail. </p>
<p>PS3 @ 400/500 is selling millions more world wide then what the xbox 360 was selling at the same price tag and with no competition at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article and I pretty much agree with you from a market perspective. I think Sony definitly won 2008 in terms of quality games. I think they lost in terms of marketing, word of mouth, and general hype.

MS runs an excellent hype machine. Most people don&#039;t even think of the PS3 as the console for sports games but with MLB: The Show, Hot Shots Golf and now equal multi-platform games from EA it&#039;s definitly where the sports games are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article and I pretty much agree with you from a market perspective. I think Sony definitly won 2008 in terms of quality games. I think they lost in terms of marketing, word of mouth, and general hype.</p>
<p>MS runs an excellent hype machine. Most people don&#8217;t even think of the PS3 as the console for sports games but with MLB: The Show, Hot Shots Golf and now equal multi-platform games from EA it&#8217;s definitly where the sports games are.</p>
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