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	<title>Comments on: Grand Theft Auto IV vs Saints Row 2: Gta is still the Sandbox King</title>
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		<title>By: Jay-Kob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay-Kob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 04:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don&#039;t forget customization. being whoever you wanna be is amazing. in SR2, you get to dress up as a gladiator and go around chainsawing people you don&#039;t like. you can be a total pimp, a hazmat worker, a doctor, a gangsta. hell, you can be the joker. you can just be you as king of stilwater. I&#039;d rather be me or whoever the hell i else I want to be than Nico Bellic. I really don&#039;t like Nico Bellic. the only thing he can ever look like is a homeless person who lives out his sad brown little life in Greyville, New Brownshire. he&#039;s like a fuckin stain. if i were him i&#039;d probly kill myself. bellic is a depressing little fuck. saints row 2 has an AMAZING world to look at. 
SR2 &gt; GTA4 in customization 
SR2 &gt; GTA4 in not making gamers commit suicide.
thats why i like SR2 better. I&#039;m not the first to say this either. yahtzee agrees with me.
ps. since that one guy got us into that race thing, i gotta say when i call bellic&#039;s life sad and brown, its just a description of his clothes, hygene, and environment. it&#039;s not meant to be a racist thing. besides, it wouldnt fit nico&#039;s white or whatever serbians count as these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t forget customization. being whoever you wanna be is amazing. in SR2, you get to dress up as a gladiator and go around chainsawing people you don&#8217;t like. you can be a total pimp, a hazmat worker, a doctor, a gangsta. hell, you can be the joker. you can just be you as king of stilwater. I&#8217;d rather be me or whoever the hell i else I want to be than Nico Bellic. I really don&#8217;t like Nico Bellic. the only thing he can ever look like is a homeless person who lives out his sad brown little life in Greyville, New Brownshire. he&#8217;s like a fuckin stain. if i were him i&#8217;d probly kill myself. bellic is a depressing little fuck. saints row 2 has an AMAZING world to look at.<br />
SR2 &gt; GTA4 in customization<br />
SR2 &gt; GTA4 in not making gamers commit suicide.<br />
thats why i like SR2 better. I&#8217;m not the first to say this either. yahtzee agrees with me.<br />
ps. since that one guy got us into that race thing, i gotta say when i call bellic&#8217;s life sad and brown, its just a description of his clothes, hygene, and environment. it&#8217;s not meant to be a racist thing. besides, it wouldnt fit nico&#8217;s white or whatever serbians count as these days.</p>
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		<title>By: MissedthePoint</title>
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		<dc:creator>MissedthePoint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what is being missed completely is the fact that only one of the factors listed have any impact on the replayability of a sandbox game... Don&#039;t get me wrong, I like both GTA 4 and SR2, but SR2 multiplayer is just a bigger sandbox with more to do in it (side missions), where as GTA 4 is explored with nothing else to do but cause mayhem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what is being missed completely is the fact that only one of the factors listed have any impact on the replayability of a sandbox game&#8230; Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I like both GTA 4 and SR2, but SR2 multiplayer is just a bigger sandbox with more to do in it (side missions), where as GTA 4 is explored with nothing else to do but cause mayhem.</p>
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		<title>By: db28</title>
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		<dc:creator>db28</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok saints row is more for wanna be gangsters (greg not all black people are gangsters and white ppl can be wannabes too) gta is more for wannabe gangsters and gamers, both are fun but gta4 is more of a &quot;real game&quot; if you will</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok saints row is more for wanna be gangsters (greg not all black people are gangsters and white ppl can be wannabes too) gta is more for wannabe gangsters and gamers, both are fun but gta4 is more of a &#8220;real game&#8221; if you will</p>
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		<title>By: BRZ.white-BOY</title>
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		<dc:creator>BRZ.white-BOY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the only gta that i like a lot is SA because its a gangsta game

thats why i think SR2 is way better than gtaiv.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the only gta that i like a lot is SA because its a gangsta game</p>
<p>thats why i think SR2 is way better than gtaiv.</p>
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		<title>By: FOOTSKRAYZIE</title>
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		<dc:creator>FOOTSKRAYZIE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 05:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man screw graphics and physics. SR2 has fun. FUN!!! That should be the most important thing in a GAME. FUN. I own both games and bought both at launch. I was in love with GTA4..... for 1 week!!! Got old real fast. Shooting people in the leg and watching them fall in a realistic way was fun for a week. What was there to do after that? Oh yeah, go around and shoot pigeons *yawn*...... One thing that SR2 has that definitely beats GTA4 is the MUSIC.

and Greg Smith stfu stupid fuckn lil bitch. I&#039;ll fuck yo ass up.... And I&#039;m white</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man screw graphics and physics. SR2 has fun. FUN!!! That should be the most important thing in a GAME. FUN. I own both games and bought both at launch. I was in love with GTA4&#8230;.. for 1 week!!! Got old real fast. Shooting people in the leg and watching them fall in a realistic way was fun for a week. What was there to do after that? Oh yeah, go around and shoot pigeons *yawn*&#8230;&#8230; One thing that SR2 has that definitely beats GTA4 is the MUSIC.</p>
<p>and Greg Smith stfu stupid fuckn lil bitch. I&#8217;ll fuck yo ass up&#8230;. And I&#8217;m white</p>
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		<title>By: GTA4 sucks</title>
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		<dc:creator>GTA4 sucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, Racism is racism no matter what race you insult, retard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, Racism is racism no matter what race you insult, retard.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Awesome</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Awesome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Greg, go fuck yourself. I&#039;m a whitey and I think Saints Row 2 is leaps and bounds better than GTA IV.</description>
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		<title>By: Gary A Swaby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary A Swaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 03:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yo greg you a clown, no where in my article mentioned the urban factor. and im a black guy, so stereotypically im suposed to like saints row 2 better right? 

your argument of quantity over quality doesnt present any reason for you to bring any race into the reason of why you dont like the game

what a clown. Yo A.B smash these clowns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yo greg you a clown, no where in my article mentioned the urban factor. and im a black guy, so stereotypically im suposed to like saints row 2 better right? </p>
<p>your argument of quantity over quality doesnt present any reason for you to bring any race into the reason of why you dont like the game</p>
<p>what a clown. Yo A.B smash these clowns.</p>
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		<title>By: A.B. Frasier</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.B. Frasier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 03:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol...wow go figure...we just had a conversation about idiots like u. ignorant as fuck...u couldn&#039;t argue or comment without calling somebody a nigger. whats does that have to do with anything? the sad part is your a coward and wouldn&#039;t call nobody that to there face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol&#8230;wow go figure&#8230;we just had a conversation about idiots like u. ignorant as fuck&#8230;u couldn&#8217;t argue or comment without calling somebody a nigger. whats does that have to do with anything? the sad part is your a coward and wouldn&#8217;t call nobody that to there face.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the fuck is wrong with these n i g g e r s? Games should not include those apes and that is for a good reason. They cause enough trouble as it is. I believe that GTA 4 is a better game because of all the stuff you get to do in the game, Saints Row 2 lost out because they focused on quantity instead of quality. If you say I am racist, look around you and see that you, like many others, have been brainwashed into believing that only prejudice towards blacks counts and all other races are ignored. That is the truth. I don&#039;t want you to believe what I say with out looking it up for yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the fuck is wrong with these n i g g e r s? Games should not include those apes and that is for a good reason. They cause enough trouble as it is. I believe that GTA 4 is a better game because of all the stuff you get to do in the game, Saints Row 2 lost out because they focused on quantity instead of quality. If you say I am racist, look around you and see that you, like many others, have been brainwashed into believing that only prejudice towards blacks counts and all other races are ignored. That is the truth. I don&#8217;t want you to believe what I say with out looking it up for yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Devon Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devon Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man you don&#039;t know what you are talking about.Saints Row 2 is way better than Grand theft auto 4. That aint even no compition son.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man you don&#8217;t know what you are talking about.Saints Row 2 is way better than Grand theft auto 4. That aint even no compition son.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary A Swaby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary A Swaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tdog - all those categories make up to the overall fun. i agree saints row is more fun in the aspect of having more things to do outside of missions. but the overall game does not compete to the overall produc of gtaIV

LH_SWE - Although the games have two different themes they are the same kind of game technology wise. for example, uncharted and gears of war are completly different themes but the mechanics of the game can be compared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tdog &#8211; all those categories make up to the overall fun. i agree saints row is more fun in the aspect of having more things to do outside of missions. but the overall game does not compete to the overall produc of gtaIV</p>
<p>LH_SWE &#8211; Although the games have two different themes they are the same kind of game technology wise. for example, uncharted and gears of war are completly different themes but the mechanics of the game can be compared.</p>
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		<title>By: LH_SWE</title>
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		<dc:creator>LH_SWE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think you can compare the two games based on those set of criterion since they are aimed at two different demographics, where saints row 2 has the edge in causal gaming with a multitude of things to do it can often get too causal almost where i feel there are no consequenses to my actions.
In GTA IV on the other hand the story intertwined witht the realism was the big draw with a kick as multiplayer on the side.
As a closing comment i played the shit out of these games and they own i just dont think you can labell one better than the other since they cater to such different people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you can compare the two games based on those set of criterion since they are aimed at two different demographics, where saints row 2 has the edge in causal gaming with a multitude of things to do it can often get too causal almost where i feel there are no consequenses to my actions.<br />
In GTA IV on the other hand the story intertwined witht the realism was the big draw with a kick as multiplayer on the side.<br />
As a closing comment i played the shit out of these games and they own i just dont think you can labell one better than the other since they cater to such different people.</p>
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		<title>By: Tdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forgot to add the &#039;fun&#039; category. GTAIV definitely would have lost out in that one. I gave up on GTAIV forever after only 4 hours of playing. There just aren&#039;t that many fun things to do in the city and the main campaign quickly gets tedious. Multiplayer is decent, but it doesn&#039;t hold a candle to Crackdown and Saints Row, which both offer full co-op.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot to add the &#8216;fun&#8217; category. GTAIV definitely would have lost out in that one. I gave up on GTAIV forever after only 4 hours of playing. There just aren&#8217;t that many fun things to do in the city and the main campaign quickly gets tedious. Multiplayer is decent, but it doesn&#8217;t hold a candle to Crackdown and Saints Row, which both offer full co-op.</p>
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		<title>By: BigTwitchy</title>
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		<dc:creator>BigTwitchy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree with you here.  GTAIV did a lot of things amazingly, and I agree that graphics driving and story were far better although I have to say the Saints Row story is no push over.  However I dont see how the shooting in GTAIV is so much better.  Yes you can target someone but targeting is a pain in the butt.  Way to many times have I tried to target one guy and get someone else instead, especially if they were close to each other.  And as for free aim mode, in multiplayer it was good, but in singleplayer it was horrid.  Why is it that in mp you can have the option to turn off targeting and only free aim and the free aiming in mp you could run and turn fast while in sp you took forever to turn and you walked you moved far to slow.  If the mp shooting controls were in sp I would agree with you on shooting.  Then we have multiplayer and sorry but no, deal break and bomd da base missions are not the same as full scale open world, story driven co-op with missions.  Nowhere near the same.  Then there is side missions and side activites which i feel are 2 seperate things and saints row owns in them both.  for Side missions yes GTAIV get boring rather quickly,  I eventually couldn&#039;t stand going on dates, which felt the same for both guy and girl characters, and the mini games like pool and darts were pretty bad.  Yes pool was fun, if the conrtols didn&#039;t screw up on ya.  Then we have saints row and all I need to say is designing your crib, pimping, insurance fraud, Obama Palin and McCain characters, and robbing banks, and stores.  Oh and dont forget your mp3 player.  IN the end it is almost a draw but saints row 2 wins in over all gameplay as there is jsut more to do.  Sorry but this time better story and graphics is beaten by better gameplay and series progression which honestly GTAIV was more like Vice City with better graphics.  So many things were taken out of GTAIV like planes, some sports and several weapons and vehicles.  What happened to the jetpack?  WHile all this changed in GTAIV for the worse Saints Row only got better with more vehicles, more activities, and a continued story.  Sorry folks but for me Saints Row 2 wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with you here.  GTAIV did a lot of things amazingly, and I agree that graphics driving and story were far better although I have to say the Saints Row story is no push over.  However I dont see how the shooting in GTAIV is so much better.  Yes you can target someone but targeting is a pain in the butt.  Way to many times have I tried to target one guy and get someone else instead, especially if they were close to each other.  And as for free aim mode, in multiplayer it was good, but in singleplayer it was horrid.  Why is it that in mp you can have the option to turn off targeting and only free aim and the free aiming in mp you could run and turn fast while in sp you took forever to turn and you walked you moved far to slow.  If the mp shooting controls were in sp I would agree with you on shooting.  Then we have multiplayer and sorry but no, deal break and bomd da base missions are not the same as full scale open world, story driven co-op with missions.  Nowhere near the same.  Then there is side missions and side activites which i feel are 2 seperate things and saints row owns in them both.  for Side missions yes GTAIV get boring rather quickly,  I eventually couldn&#8217;t stand going on dates, which felt the same for both guy and girl characters, and the mini games like pool and darts were pretty bad.  Yes pool was fun, if the conrtols didn&#8217;t screw up on ya.  Then we have saints row and all I need to say is designing your crib, pimping, insurance fraud, Obama Palin and McCain characters, and robbing banks, and stores.  Oh and dont forget your mp3 player.  IN the end it is almost a draw but saints row 2 wins in over all gameplay as there is jsut more to do.  Sorry but this time better story and graphics is beaten by better gameplay and series progression which honestly GTAIV was more like Vice City with better graphics.  So many things were taken out of GTAIV like planes, some sports and several weapons and vehicles.  What happened to the jetpack?  WHile all this changed in GTAIV for the worse Saints Row only got better with more vehicles, more activities, and a continued story.  Sorry folks but for me Saints Row 2 wins.</p>
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		<title>By: werd up</title>
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		<dc:creator>werd up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree...gta 4 def did upset...but saints row 2 didnt even come close. people thought it could be more fun simply because it was on next gen first and they had an online mode before gta did....so they were looking for growth like joe budden fans...but ended up disappointed</description>
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